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yeah.
Mhm Yeah.
Hello.
Hello us to listeners,
you are in for such a treat,
but before we begin,
I'm going to give you a little backseat tour because I like to start with an intention with my guests before we begin and I am here with the beautiful dame Natalie lead.
Well I'm so honored and I just wanted to start with an intention.
So let's do that,
let's do it all right.
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you're welcome to join us,
closing your eyes going within,
that feels good and just connecting to our heart center.
That space of deeper connection,
compassion,
care,
love appreciation,
just appreciating you,
your time,
your wisdom,
your vitality,
your energy.
I'm grateful to be able to be here to share that with our incredible us to family and just ask that all are words spoken.
Mhm And everything comes from the space of love of heart and serves at the highest level for all of our listeners and beyond and that anything that wants to be said here is spoken here from that highest place and so it is.
And so it is.
Well there we go.
I am going to do the formal introduction first,
but I want to say um everyone listening Natalie is such an exquisite Seoul and new girlfriend of mine who I just adore and it's it's a gift to have you here today.
So let me tell you about this are beautiful guest today dame Natalie led.
Well,
I love that is the best selling author,
host of the podcast,
not over just different co host of the cable tv show,
Wake up and founder of Mind movies.
The hugely successful and revolutionary online personal development company that has reached over 5.8 million people worldwide,
oh my God,
that's just incredible.
Um and right now Natalie has launched her brand new,
groundbreaking social and emotional learning curriculum entitled Personal Growth Studies Love this,
this is now in schools here in the U.
S.
Which is designed to empower youth from Asia's 5 to 18 years to live fulfilling and successful lives with high self esteem and vision for a bright future.
In october 2018,
Natalie traveled to Liberia where she met with government officials and launched Personal Growth Studies into a number of schools which is now in the second year working with over 1000 students and in 2000 and 20 Natalie had the immense honor being knighted by the Orthodox Order of Saint john humanitarian group recognizing individuals who are not only doing great work but also having a big vision of the work they want to complete in the world of helping others.
That is so cool.
I'm so excited this area of helping schools.
There's,
there's a lot to talk about here.
Um there's a lot,
there's a lot to talk about.
Well welcome,
I love your energy.
I love what you're up to.
I'm thrilled to have you.
I feel like you know I was talking about body wisdom,
I am like leaning in so much that I could like kiss the screen,
that's how excited I am to be here.
Let's get started.
You know,
I think given the stage of our world today and all that you've been up to.
Maybe we start it's a little bit backwards,
but kind of starting present day,
I do want to hear,
you know more about your past and how you felt such a,
such an exquisite business that's serving you know,
so millions of people.
But let's talk about what's important to you right now,
Natalie talk about what you're up to,
this personal growth studies or anything else you'd like to share.
Love to hear more about that.
Yeah.
You know,
I've,
when I look back,
I look at my patterns over the years and if I've been in a certain career of certain business for 10 years,
10 years seems to be my then I started getting,
which now I'm kind of,
I want to do something different.
You know,
when we started my movies,
I was 40 years old,
you know,
learning how to Edit videos and do websites and emails and things for the first time in my life and I couldn't even typed.
We knew nothing about the Internet back then.
So now that I'm 50 my,
it has seen,
I mean obviously I love what I'm doing with my movies serving the millions of people that we do,
but I knew him.
Like I came ready for something different.
I'm ready for another challenge and I got a download to create a Children's version of the mind movies software,
which I did,
which was great and then I'm like well now what do we do now?
Uh and so a couple of times I've looked at this and you know,
it sounds like I'm qualified to go to schools like the school when I was 15 and and and you know,
I,
you know,
I just don't have any kind of degrees or anything like that,
I'm like you don't even have Children myself,
so I'm like,
but it was so funny how the Divine kept pulling me back in and pulled me back here.
So a colleague of mine from Australia who specifically works with kids in trauma help you to create the curriculum that you have,
So it's you know,
pay to 12,
uh it's a full year's curriculum that's taught in the classroom.
Uh so we've been working with school in Miami,
we've got some schools that were talking to this week in Ohio and in SAN Diego um and so you know,
in a world where uh it's so far removed from anything that we experienced as kids,
you know,
and then we've got the whole whistleblower situation that's been happening where it's become very apparent that facebook were exceptionally aware of how uh you know,
platforms like instagram we're really harming girls,
not only because of the addictiveness of the,
the techniques and things that they put into the platform,
but especially how,
you know,
they're looking at developing body issues because the photos that they're looking at,
it's like the new day magazines,
you know,
we look at magazines when we were young and go,
I want to look like that,
but they were airbrush is like,
you know,
we didn't realize young girls aren't realizing this hyper.
And so to be able to equip young women,
young boys with,
you know,
the skills and the tools to be able to self regulate their emotions,
to build their self esteem,
to have empathy,
to set personal standards,
to do all of these things that help them to become well adjusted human beings and then also to have,
you know,
excitement about the future.
You know,
if you look at and I talked to a lot of younger people,
they're depressed.
It's like,
oh my God,
well where are we going?
We've got climate change,
but governments and all these things that are just that they don't instill any kind of excitement for optimism and so,
you know,
these are the skills and the tools that we teach within the program.
So it's very psychology base.
Yes,
they also get to make mine movies and dream about their future and we instill confidence for them to be able to do that and you know,
things like yoga and gratitude and meditation.
So they're getting in touch with,
you know with who they are and you know,
having that mind body connection,
it's like a whole told approach that we're doing here and you know I've been saying it for years and it's still true now more than ever,
you know we need to really help this new next generation that's coming through.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh I am almost like there are tears in my eyes is it's something I have thought about so many times.
I have kids that have gone,
you know that are 13,
15 now and you know,
I mean I try to bring this into their life and they're like oh my mom is a hippie,
like well I'm planting seeds,
you know my daughter's into meditation a little bit,
they're not,
you know they're getting aspects not really in school,
I think what you're doing this is so so needed and especially now,
I mean I know the suicide rate is up higher than it's ever been.
There's more anxiety,
depression,
I mean you know not to focus on these negative things,
but this is true,
I mean especially the last couple of years um and so I think what you're doing this is valiant,
this is needed,
this is crucial.
Um It sounds like K through 12.
So it's a that's that's that's amazing,
this is it sounds like it's really starving students at different levels of where they are developmentally,
where they are psychologically because I can say that even 13-15 is pretty different.
Oh yeah we have common themes that reveal like gratitude or embassy or you know uh you know emotions,
everything is just talk differently every year depending on the age of the developmental cedric but you know Children around and things like sense of belonging,
you know that's definitely more important when they're,
you know in the elementary school years.
Um you know,
and then,
and then when they're older it's like,
okay,
well you have this sense of belonging,
but how are you being part of a community?
How do you play that role?
How do you become part of that?
How do you,
how do you execute this?
Yeah.
You know what,
yeah,
I also think what you mentioned about especially for still being female having struggled with body image and in the past,
I don't know if you've gone through that yourself but I can,
I have a daughter who is a teen,
I mean I just look at the photo she's seeing,
you know,
I filtered my my instagram is like uber positive right?
The people that are on there that I follow and it's tough to kind of oversee and manage.
I mean I've seen some of,
you know,
I mean a lot of those photos can be very,
I feel like what's underneath them is an immediate comparison and if you don't compare yourself in a way that that comes up,
you know,
you come up short and it can,
it can bring up a lot of feeling less than and lack of worthiness and body image and all the and all of that.
So I think the fact that you're addressing that piece as well is huge and I'm curious maybe,
you know,
and I know there's a lot more being done in the last few years.
I would say you've been decade around,
you know,
really shifting from a patriarchal world to honoring the feminine.
And I don't know if that's part of what you're looking at,
but I would be curious if that's kind of infused because in a way it's it's it's really detrimental when you you see how women are in young women and girls are suffering.
Well,
you know,
with the program,
it's not like we address something like that specifically or bullying specifically.
I think we have one on that or whatever,
what we're doing is getting underneath it and going,
okay,
what's the foundation?
Yeah.
You know?
Uh so how do we,
you know,
avoid bullying or how do we avoid suicide?
Well,
we do that by building a strong soft adventure,
you know,
by having that mind body connection by by being able to build self esteem.
Um,
and to really cultivate self love do because then it doesn't matter what these other subjects are.
They have this really strong foundation of who they are and how they fit into the world and where they belong and so,
you know,
these other things don't really affect them as much.
So they're kind of getting under research amazing,
made this like blossom and grow to all schools have this.
I'm I love,
I love this so much,
this is so important.
Um maybe take us back for a moment.
I know you because you alluded to mind movies and like for those who don't I,
everyone listening is sort of my movies might be using them.
How did you,
how did that get birth?
Like how did you come into this um this world,
this field?
I mean,
I know you originally,
you grew up in Australia,
correct.
And then yeah,
yeah,
I grew up in like a country town on one of eight kids,
very humble beginnings.
Um and as soon as I was 18 and old enough,
I was the hell out of it and moved to see the Uh you know,
which in itself was one of these things like I was 18,
no soul,
But I knew I couldn't stay at my,
in my country town.
So I kind of moved to Sydney and started a life there and I was really fortunate I was working in fitness and uh one of my bosses when I was 21 years old,
handed me a set of cassettes by Brian Tracy because I think you're gonna like this.
And then that started a whole journey of,
you know,
when people like Tony Robbins and jim Rohn and zig Ziglar would come to Australia,
I was always there,
you know,
and uh and I started managing fitness clubs when I was 21 you know,
I didn't really know what I was doing it,
I told my way and I'm thinking I could do a good job of this is just kind of worked it out,
you know,
my motto in life has been to bite off more than I can chew and then chew like hell,
which has served me well.
Yes.
Um and so you know,
I got my cut my management and my business skills on other people's business,
you know,
because they were being able to,
I was managing other clubs and then when I met my husband,
uh we're two weeks before we got married,
we bought a nightclub,
which on the outside looks like,
wow,
we're like that,
that's very different contrast from this positive career.
I was making a difference to a nightclub where I'm encouraging people to drink alcohol and unhealthy lifestyle,
But they were both service industries,
service businesses and so I was a labor over to apply a lot of that that as well.
And so one and I,
we had,
I don't know,
maybe 20 different businesses together over the years,
you know,
coffee franchises and property development and a whole bunch of things and you know,
we glenn and I separated eight years ago and we're still business partners in my movies because we have great business plan,
it's Our skill sets complement each other,
we get on really well done.
So this is 2006 and I'm having a challenge because you know,
I'm looking at all my bills,
looking at the bank account at the time,
Glenn and I had four businesses were running at the same time,
so actually was never a problem,
but we were still struggling financially and I'm like,
I didn't get like,
what am I missing?
This is crazy.
And then a friend said to me,
you've got it.
All of this DVD online is called The Secret,
You've got to watch it,
it's amazing.
So I remember sitting down and watching that and going,
uh right,
that's what I'm missing.
You know,
for me,
I would never set big goals because unless I knew exactly how it's going to happen,
then I didn't believe it would,
you know?
And I'm like,
oh,
I don't think that I just seem to visualize and see myself there and then just start action and things will start to fall into place.
It was like a huge piece that I had been missing.
And so not long after that,
a friend of ours showed us this little slide show he put together and it was like PowerPoint slides that had affirmations and in between the PowerPoint slides with these photos that match the affirmations and music and this was his version of a vision board,
You know,
he had vision boards,
but he was embarrassed by them.
So this really cool little slide show he created on his computer and give us,
it was cool.
Um,
and then the secret was on Oprah and then everyone was talking about the cigarette,
this is down to 2007.
And he came to us and said,
look why don't we set up a website and you know,
we can sell the instructions for people to make these movies themselves.
Like,
okay,
but we know nothing about the internet.
Glenn couldn't even turn on a computer.
You know,
I used a computer for bookkeeping.
That was it.
You know,
like we spent no time online.
I couldn't type,
I still can't type Glenn still,
you know,
hand picking on the,
on the keyboards.
Um,
but you know what we understood was a good idea.
And so we put a little video up on YouTube when we began,
uh,
I think our initial investment was like $2,000 to the website,
and you know.
$1,200 for a video camera.
And uh,
and from that one little video,
We were getting lots of traffic.
People were buying and we didn't know what to charge.
It's like,
it's just air like it's not something physical.
So they're like,
I don't know,
$20.
It's just $20.
But people were emailing,
it's going,
this is changing my life.
I'm like,
all right boys.
And what really started for me was I started to feel like I did when I was working in fitness.
I really felt like I was making a difference and you know,
and I felt like I was where I was supposed to be,
I'm like,
oh guys,
we can't ignore this,
what do we have to do?
So we end up in 2000 and eight coming over to the U.
S.
For six months.
We went to a seminar for internet marketing seminar,
joined the mastermind became sponges worked 10 hour days from our bedroom in the little apartment in San Diego that we rented underneath the flight path of san Diego airport.
Um and you know by september 2000 and eight we lost my movies to the world.
Now that's kind of like the rainbow is poppy dog solution to that story.
But remember economic crisis hit the planet September 2008,
everyone's listening should,
We had accumulated $120,000 on credit cards just to launch this thing before we realized that the world had financially,
you know cooked itself.
It's like,
oh my God.
Um and we had everything that could go wrong went wrong,
Our email delivery system shut down our account because we were getting so many options so quickly,
they thought we were doing something illegal.
I had to get that being stated,
they closed down the morning of the launch so no one was receiving the confirmation emails,
they had purchased something.
So we had 3000 customer support emails on the first date that is unpleasant.
Um and then people who were using as a painting gateway froze the account.
We ended up doing like a $700,000 launch Over a week and a half.
And our program is $97.
It was,
it was like nothing that our industry ever seen before.
Um,
and paper for the camp.
So you know,
we,
we had for six months,
they kept changing their mind about releasing the money.
We have $500,000 sitting in there.
We've got 100 20 grand on credit cards were supposed to be playing our affiliates were $100,000 in latin males like um so we were on the,
we were like a breath away from bankruptcy knowing that all that money sitting there,
we couldn't get it.
And so far we've got an attorney involved and they release the funds.
But that's what kind of put us on the map.
But the thing that kept us going was obviously we created a mind movie for that launch,
but we would always be not looking at the launch would be looking over which when people,
when they're learning how to do karate and you know,
you're putting your hand through the board.
You don't focus on the board,
you focus beyond the board so that your hand keeps going through.
So that's what we would do.
Like the launch was in the end,
the launch was just the beginning,
it was the beginning of the team that we were going to build.
it was the beginning of the life that we're going to create for ourselves and lifestyle that we had,
you know,
taking our families on vacations and eating at a lovely restaurants and all those kind of things.
But we had to keep looking past it because this was just a means to get to that.
So whenever a challenge to pop up,
you're like,
okay,
how do we get around this?
You know,
we knew we were heading,
which is like we just had to figure albums happening at the time.
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my friend back to the interview.
Wow,
what a story.
Oh my gosh.
I don't think I knew the whole,
I knew a little bit of it,
but I did not realize the first salt and incredible launch of that many people during the first week.
And then to not be able and then to have all those issues.
That must have been quite the basic training for how to stay resilient.
All right.
It was,
it was very stressful,
really stressful.
But I do remember that the night before we were opening up the shopping cart and we were to open up for sales frank kern was our mental.
You know,
he's been alleged and remarkably well and he forgot our cds glass.
Congratulations.
He goes,
you've done it.
We don't know what we've done here.
We haven't opened the shopping and I guess it doesn't matter.
Our list went from 8000 to 80,000 in a way.
He goes,
you now have a business because whatever happens tomorrow and the next day,
it doesn't matter.
You've now got a business because you've now built this asset,
which you know,
having have been surrounding ourselves with the white people was the smartest thing.
Well this is great.
You know,
I have to say Natalie this is also great wisdom for those listening used to listener if you're thinking of starting a business or a side hustle sidekick or something just to hear,
I mean,
you came from a different country,
you you know,
we're kind of bootstrapping it and you really invested in the people that you surrounded yourself with,
getting around the best of the best and really,
as you said,
being a sponge,
yeah,
absolutely,
we couldn't have done it without it.
And uh,
you know,
and yeah,
we risked a lot for everything really.
If it had worked,
we would have been toast.
I don't know how we would have crawled out of that hole,
but you know,
we were there and I was lucky,
you know,
we knew that even if we lost money that,
you know,
we had the ability to make it back,
we didn't have Children.
So,
you know,
we had the freedom to be able to make,
you know,
choices like that.
I'm not suggesting that anyone does in the way that we did because it was very stressful,
but you know,
but the smart thing was it wasn't just the mastermind group and it wasn't just frank,
even our social circles was everyone's internet migrants.
So even in a social setting,
we were having conversations and we will learn and you know,
we're just we're just a little sun just the whole time.
It was it was great.
And then we went back to Australia and then when we came back the next year,
you know,
that's when everyone wanted to know who we were.
We're getting emails from people like Jack Canfield and bob Proctor and john Assaraf and I'm like because I think Jack can,
I don't know if this is real,
but I think that canceled just email me like what?
You know,
so so now we we start to play in a world where not only are we massively successful,
what we do and being able to reach more like We're over six million people now that we've been able to reach around the world and we're now looking at,
you know,
we have the ability to go into schools and different things.
Um but you know,
all the people that we,
that I personally,
I should say put up on a pedestal,
especially all the people from the secret,
they're all my friends now where are my keys,
you know when we get to kind of play in that playground.
But you know something Natalie this is the thing about it.
The thing about the secret and the thing about what you're saying is,
you know of course we're all special but what what you're saying is this works for everyone,
this the principals of the secret the principles of like you said,
I didn't realize I was I was I was not making big goals because I don't know how,
which is I think where most of us where most people get stuck is,
you know,
I want to start a,
you know,
business that is then like what you did this,
this personal growth studies,
like you don't know how to do that.
That's a big goal.
And maybe you can talk for a few minutes like what you've seen from a spiritual perspective of how the elements of this secret works because this is the thing,
this is for everybody ever,
anyone,
you know,
if you're listening,
if you want to be in a pinch yourself moment,
you can create that you can create that.
Um you know,
it's funny when I,
I got to know john a little bit john Ostrov he's gonna be on,
I think his episode is right before yours and I had that moment where I was like,
wow,
all right,
Like this,
this,
you know,
and you know,
he's talked about he to he's had that moment in his life.
It was earlier on obviously.
Um,
but I love what you're saying and and how cool that you're in a life where you are,
you know,
in a good way,
pinching yourself.
Well,
yes,
and you know,
I think that,
you know,
yes,
I get access to these people,
but if I don't shop as this person of this version of this improving version of who I am,
this emerging version of who I am,
but it's not like I can maintain those questions,
you know,
and I think the more I stepped into being the teacher and being the face of my movies and being the transformation leader,
you know,
for me,
it's like I my thing is that I need to practice what I preach,
I need to show up in it and if I'm not evolving and if I'm not growing and working on myself,
then how can I show up,
you know,
as the best teacher that I can be?
You know,
and and sometimes,
you know,
like the glenn and I divorcing,
you know,
that was huge.
It was huge for how we navigated our relationship,
that's how we navigated the business.
Um you know,
the work I did to myself,
because the first question I asked was how did I contribute to the end of my marriage?
You know,
and I did things like the Hoffman process and doing other courses and you know,
and I have a thing where I have a coach every year,
I'd like to change my coach.
I've got different styles of coaching.
Um but I always have someone who's who's working for me,
helping me to work on myself,
especially now because I'm stepping into this whole new world of education.
Oh,
talk about a little little out of my depth.
I think the same thing I was talking to someone yesterday about how I think part of why we did so well with my movies is that we didn't know what everyone else was doing.
So we weren't limited by that.
We just came in with their own ideas and I think ignorance is bliss,
which is also what I'm applying to the to the education thing as well.
I know that there is a certain way that it's been done.
Um the timing is right because something like the pandemic really shook everyone's thinking like like education for the first time in 50 years,
had to rethink itself a little,
you know,
and how do we handle this?
So they've already got used to,
you know,
okay,
we can do it differently.
And so when I come in with my ideas that might not look like anything that anyone else is doing,
um but I'm going to come in with what I you know intuitively feel is the way that I can support teachers,
that we can have a program that's going to help them with their students and in turn help to educate parents on,
you know,
how to teach these concepts,
to cultivate these concepts even at home.
Mm This is important what you said,
and I'm saying this again for listening because it's kind of backed it up with that it this is about living,
you know,
as an evolving constantly growing human being,
It's never over,
it's uh it's as you said,
you know,
that having the emerging vision um which is so in alignment,
it's honestly the point even of this whole idea of the U.
S.
To you,
it's never you don't you don't land,
you don't like it's constantly like their divine growing,
changing spinning.
And I think what you said is also very important that that ignorance is bliss also allowed you and for for for our amazing listeners like to take yourself out of that rut of how you're thinking.
Um you know,
you didn't you didn't think like everyone else because you didn't know to you came at it from a you know,
completely empty mind,
infinite possibilities and and I'm listening to your doing that again,
which is so needed,
especially no having a parent in the school system being a parent and you know,
sometimes it's easy,
it's easy for all of us to get set in our ways to think this is the way we do it and um I'm hearing just such a breath of fresh air,
but also the importance of constantly evolving whether it's hiring new coaches working on yourself,
like you can hear you're you're walking the talk you're you're living at which I I I don't know if there's any other way,
especially with this kind of personal growth work.
So it's I love how your love how you're really like now you're in the school system,
you haven't done this before,
you've just started and it sounds like you're learning as you go as well.
Absolutely.
And I think you uh with that I love the challenge.
You know,
it's me,
it's what is my purpose and Well the mission and how I fulfill my purpose can shift.
So my movies has been hit for 12 years.
Um and I have no intention of stepping out of my movie.
So we're still continuing that going actually,
this is the first business they're going.
And I went into that we have no exit strategy.
It's like we love this.
It's like this collaborative way of being able to do business to,
to support other people with similar programs online as well.
We all help each other.
We will exchange ideas,
we all support each other.
Um I love that way of doing business,
You know,
and everything that we were,
you know,
that we're promoting,
selling is helping humanity.
So it's like when we win.
Um but you know,
now we're morphing into education and with Children.
So this is now the new way that the mission is showing up.
But and I don't kid myself like for me to step into something like this,
you know,
50 years old and okay,
I'll give it a little bit.
But uh I need to change who I am being.
Yeah,
to be the person that has the capacity and the container to be able to fit into this new,
this new realm,
this new industry,
you know,
this new part of a new chapter really and I always say I'm taking show,
I'm taking notes.
So if anyone's let you know when people are listening off and I get comments like say that again,
that is really well said that you are constantly evolving and changing who you're being to fit the capacity of who you're,
who you're moving into,
who you're stepping into um which which also puts the whole aging process idea thing on its head.
It's like,
You know,
it gets better and better.
I mean I want to see like 55 actually I'm laughing,
I don't know,
I'm sure you know what Johnny was talking about his 60 pack,
his six pack at 60 and I'm like that's a great way to look at 60,
like you know what I mean,
you wouldn't normally look at it that way.
There's always more that you can evolve into and more more of yourself.
Well,
you know,
I was listening to a a talk by steve cobbler,
this is about six months ago and he,
you know,
he and Jamie Wheel started a thing called the flow genome project and this is all about how do we as humans getting too slow.
And one comment that he made,
I really stuck with me and he said,
well we get to this age or we're in our fifties and social,
you know,
we have access to all these superpowers,
we've lived life,
we've had life experience,
we've had business experience,
you know,
normally we don't have as many responsibilities because if we've had kids or college,
you know that you know,
we have this prime time in our life where we get access to all these superpowers,
but only if we do the work,
you know,
only if we can clear some of the,
you know,
the shallow and the programs and the paradigms that we held on to when we were younger,
they got us to this point.
But you know,
we we can achieve anything we want.
This is the prime time for us,
you know,
but we've got to be willing to go there and you know,
in 2020 for me because I wasn't traveling and being a crazy when I got to slow down.
I was working with a coach once a week,
but I really got to look at a lot of the the darker parts of me that either I didn't want to admit existed or before then didn't have the courage to face.
I think that right?
And I think that,
you know,
when we're looking at,
you know,
doing the work,
I've kind of got to that point where it's like,
you know,
I need to have the courage and the radical honesty of myself yeah,
to be able to look at these things and to first of all admit that they exist.
Um and then be willing to face what I need to to be able to release.
Yeah,
well he said that was funny 20 whole,
it was yeah,
the lowest ensure this year of my life I was going to say,
well radical honesty and self courage,
you know when those are the ingredients and it sounds like you were finally able and willing and then with the slowing down it was here we are like it's time and Yeah,
and the first actually met my love,
my partner in August 2020,
but until then it was the main my thoughts.
So I had plenty of time for self confrontation and really seem so for meditation and connection to the divine,
and and uh it was,
it was,
it was a year well spent.
See I didn't waste time amazing Natalie maybe for just a moment,
I love to ask especially you know,
you clearly,
you know done so much work within yourself,
like you were saying,
doing the work expanded growing what you've created and offered to the world.
What is it,
what are some of your practices that help you?
Um,
I think what I'd love to ask,
its two part,
what are some of those practices practices the spiritual practices,
the practices that have you feel connected to your higher self,
your divine connection and also um,
you talked about moving past the beliefs and the stories and,
and I mean you started in a country town in Australia and now you have,
you know your first launches 700 you know many,
many people that are,
and it's grown maybe share with us if you would a little bit of both of those what works for you.
Yeah,
So my spiritual practice is that I do meditate actually when covid first hand,
I double down,
I was better taken twice a day just because I was feeling like I was taking on a lot of energy and people and I was going live on facebook every day for our community and trying to keep everyone calm and hold that space that I really needed to do that.
Um,
and with my meditations either do the job expensive meditations which are,
you know,
connecting to the unified field and,
and or blessing of the energy centers,
which is,
you know,
one of my favorites.
Um,
or I'll just take the time just to be silent just to focus on my breath and just just slow everything down.
You know,
sometimes with those meditations,
I might have a question or something that was something that I'm thinking about and you know,
I,
I remain open when I,
whenever I get any messages from the divine,
it always comes through as a thought for me and I know it can come to you with the body feeling,
it can come through as many different things,
but for me it's just like a thought.
So,
so meditation is not negotiable that's every day.
Um,
but I also like to,
especially if I'm,
you know,
thinking about something,
I'm challenged with something,
you know I'll have a there's a couple of mindful activities,
you know one of them is that you know my girlfriend has a a tea company called Magic Hour T.
You've got to look it up is she?
Um she blends to please herself and it's all organic and biodynamic ingredients and just you know Armand Marcia and roz real and you know coconut shy and just amazing.
So you know,
I'll make a cup of tea and I sit out on the balcony um and I just,
everything is mindful.
I'm noticing the smell of the T.
That's what I can hear what I can feel on my skin.
Like I'm just dropped so deeply into the moment mm just relishing the moment,
you know?
And again because I'm quiting and slowing everything down um often have a lot of inspiration comes through those times as well.
So don't necessarily need,
need to be meditating for that.
Um But but it's also my acknowledgment of the divine.
Mhm.
Creating the space for us to have that communion I think is important because you know when I do I often consult that and this is part of why the law of attraction is so powerful is because we're leveraging or accessing the power of the interview that's greater than us to be able to help us to achieve that.
Um And I've had too many incredible amazing things drop in and show up that were not me.
I have so much proof that that you know that the divine exists and is working in my highest favor,
you know,
so I have,
I have no doubt there and I think that when we are manifesting expectation and belief,
the two of the most important ingredients we can have,
like I just expect things to work out because I always do.
So that's,
that's my spiritual practice.
But I exercise every day and whether that's just a walk,
you know,
it could be a bike ride.
I mean I live in,
you know the marina del Rey,
so I have a bike,
I had pedal or like you know walk,
it's you know the gym,
it's all great and I like to,
you know,
either listen to a podcast for a audio book,
especially if I'm driving or something.
And I just thought if I'm exercising,
I don't like to listen to some kind of education as well.
Kind of just put me in that higher elevation.
So yeah,
I exercise my gratitude,
one of my gratitude like I did right in journal at the moment I go in and out of that practice.
But even if I'm walking like I walked with my neighbor this morning and we were both like,
oh my God,
how grateful we are that we get to live here and this is alive and all of that.
So and and making sure that I'm you know,
having some kind of grateful moments throughout the day.
I love that it doesn't have to be journaling.
I know others listening.
You know,
some love journaling.
I go in and out.
It's always helpful to hear however it shows up.
But it's really like you said,
savoring taking those moments remember it's not the riding down.
That's the point of that exercise.
The point of the exercise is to feel gratitude.
Mm and there are sometimes they might be doing things tough and like I know 2020 it was hard for me to get into a place of gratitude.
Like there were days where I found it really difficult because I just felt like the whole world caving in.
We're in the unknown,
everyone's freaking out.
You know,
I took three months off social media in 2020.
He got way too contentious for me.
You know like I can't I can't even look at this.
Um and so you know in those moments,
what I also do is you know,
I could write five things but I was just going through the motions which and I know for me that's not the point.
And so I would write the five things down that I would close my eyes and put my hands in my heart and I would just breathe,
focusing on my heart stronger and seeing the light expand from there and they've been thinking about the things I have written down and then being able to get into gratitude that way because we know that where we focus,
where we focus is where our energy goes?
So I really have to have to be really intentional not being able to feel that what you said is so important and I'm going to reiterate it and it's so true and I've been here before where I have my gratitude and it's like no,
no,
no.
It's that's not the point.
The feeling is the most important thing is that you feel it in your body and I think that can get lost for some of us.
So it's a great reminder that that's the that's the ultimate is really feeling that is feeling that gratitude or what are the feelings that you want to have?
Yeah.
Well remember our emotions of the energy of the frequency that we can make out into the universe.
Yeah.
And if we're looking to be a vibrational match to the things that we want to attract,
we need to vibrate at that frequency.
Which means that we need to as much as possible maintain higher frequency emotions like gratitude or happiness or joy or courage or pride or accomplishment or you know,
any of those things and the more that we can kind of marinate there,
the more inflow we are,
you know,
the easier it is for us to be able to create what it is that we need?
So fantastic Natalie,
Is there anything else.
Um Either I call them heart flares where your heart is like I didn't say this yet or I want to share this.
Is there anything that perhaps I didn't ask you that is sort of there for you that you'd like to share or it's just a heart flare.
I mean we could told that I was really yes,
No,
really I uh no,
I think you touched on this before,
but when it comes to applying a concept like the law of attraction,
anyone can do it.
You know,
anyone can do it if we believe that we can and we expect that we can then that could happen.
Um and the when we went from struggling and pushing and forcing things to happen like we did when we had four businesses at one time to living this life,
we were in flow because the only difference we had was that we started to apply the concepts of law of attraction,
visualizing,
talking about our future,
seeing past that you know,
being in a state of gratitude uh and you know and taking that action that we needed to,
but anyone can do that,
you know,
and we all have the ability,
we live in an abundant universe in the world that we can remember that the more that we realize that even if we,
you know like it doesn't mean if I have money or if you have money that someone goes without,
it doesn't work that way.
You know,
we have access to this unlimited abundance.
Yeah.
Oh I love I love that you said that because I think that you know probably from for many there is that fear especially if you grew up,
especially if you grew up maybe with a family that did not have money or abundance.
Like if I get it and you actually said this um you know,
I kind of heard this leaning more towards collaboration and this collaborative to me business and the way that we're moving into the future hopefully um for the greatest good of all is through collaboration is through partnership.
And when you're in that kind of like you said,
it's a win win win.
So how could the universe not be set up as a win win win?
You know,
it's I almost what I heard you say too is knowing this is for anyone,
knowing this is for you,
so use your listener,
this is for you and this is for everyone around you.
So as I'm seeing these,
you know,
you said you have a ton of evidence,
I track a lot of this because it helps me to see oh my gosh,
I didn't do that.
What?
And I mean another day we should do another interview.
I want to hear some of your beautiful stories.
I was like alright,
really pause because we're going to keep going on,
but you know really like keep track of that.
Like you were saying like you have these stories so you can remind yourself and affirming this is for everybody you're not taking by you being,
you know by you being so um the abundance successful growing,
it doesn't take from anyone,
it just shows there's more for all of us.
That's the flip I think is realizing that Yeah,
because I think that sometimes that's the,
especially all of us will have money story,
you know,
one of the kids,
what do you think my my story is?
You know,
we all have a money story and you know realizing and really understanding how abundant the universities and how you know there is enough everyone and that if we have it's not like we're taking you know what I mean?
So because I think that that is like a core belief that a lot of us still carrying and maybe we don't consciously know it,
but maybe you're listening to this podcast right now and go actually yeah,
I do think that you know a lot of the times were not even aware and that is enough is a very powerful fault that can keep this in a holding pattern,
you know,
amazing,
amazing.
And that is why back to what you said,
you want to look at those thoughts,
you want to continuously evolve,
work with people that can support you surround yourself with those that are,
that are also in that personal growth pattern and path and so beautiful.
It's really fun to watch your,
to hear your story and watch it.
It kind of happened before our eyes and love.
Love,
Love Mind movies.
Um and what you're working on now,
your book,
your podcast.
Um you just,
I love you know watching you,
it's like you're tuned in,
tapped in to the divine and it's just flowing through you and I think the reminders you said Natalie this is for you to do your listeners for everybody,
for all of us.
Um thank you just for being here and what your,
what your birth into the world,
especially now in the school systems and we'll have to check back in because I want to hear how that's going and it's got to expand.
I mean I can't imagine my schools but not want more of this.
So just honor you and what you're what you're doing and who you're being in the world.
Natalie truly thank you so much to always a pleasure to be done as well.
Lots of love,
always my friend.
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you are pure positive, divine light born to shine, to live from your heart and to be your fullest you ist you.Mhm Yeah, yeah.Mhm Yeah.Hello.Hello us to listeners, you are in for such a treat,

but before we begin, I'm going to give you a little backseat tour because I like to start with an intention with my guests before we begin and I am here with the beautiful dame Natalie lead.Well I'm so honored and I just wanted to start with an intention.

So let's do that, let's do it all right.So we always start um invite you to put your hand on your heart and just connect and if you're listening, you're welcome to join us, closing your eyes going within,

that feels good and just connecting to our heart center.That space of deeper connection, compassion, care, love appreciation, just appreciating you, your time, your wisdom,

your vitality, your energy.I'm grateful to be able to be here to share that with our incredible us to family and just ask that all are words spoken.Mhm And everything comes from the space of love of heart and serves at the highest level for all of our listeners and beyond and that anything that wants to be said here is spoken here from that highest place and so it is.

And so it is.Well there we go.I am going to do the formal introduction first, but I want to say um everyone listening Natalie is such an exquisite Seoul and new girlfriend of mine who I just adore and it's it's a gift to have you here today.So let me tell you about this are beautiful guest today dame Natalie led.

Well, I love that is the best selling author, host of the podcast, not over just different co host of the cable tv show, Wake up and founder of Mind movies.The hugely successful and revolutionary online personal development company that has reached over 5.8 million people worldwide,

oh my God, that's just incredible.Um and right now Natalie has launched her brand new, groundbreaking social and emotional learning curriculum entitled Personal Growth Studies Love this, this is now in schools here in the U.

S.Which is designed to empower youth from Asia's 5 to 18 years to live fulfilling and successful lives with high self esteem and vision for a bright future.In october 2018,

Natalie traveled to Liberia where she met with government officials and launched Personal Growth Studies into a number of schools which is now in the second year working with over 1000 students and in 2000 and 20 Natalie had the immense honor being knighted by the Orthodox Order of Saint john humanitarian group recognizing individuals who are not only doing great work but also having a big vision of the work they want to complete in the world of helping others.That is so cool.

I'm so excited this area of helping schools.There's, there's a lot to talk about here.Um there's a lot, there's a lot to talk about.Well welcome, I love your energy.I love what you're up to.

I'm thrilled to have you.I feel like you know I was talking about body wisdom, I am like leaning in so much that I could like kiss the screen, that's how excited I am to be here.Let's get started.

You know, I think given the stage of our world today and all that you've been up to.Maybe we start it's a little bit backwards, but kind of starting present day, I do want to hear,

you know more about your past and how you felt such a, such an exquisite business that's serving you know, so millions of people.But let's talk about what's important to you right now, Natalie talk about what you're up to,

this personal growth studies or anything else you'd like to share.Love to hear more about that.Yeah.You know, I've, when I look back, I look at my patterns over the years and if I've been in a certain career of certain business for 10 years, 10 years seems to be my then I started getting,

which now I'm kind of, I want to do something different.You know, when we started my movies, I was 40 years old, you know, learning how to Edit videos and do websites and emails and things for the first time in my life and I couldn't even typed.We knew nothing about the Internet back then.

So now that I'm 50 my, it has seen, I mean obviously I love what I'm doing with my movies serving the millions of people that we do, but I knew him.Like I came ready for something different.I'm ready for another challenge and I got a download to create a Children's version of the mind movies software,

which I did, which was great and then I'm like well now what do we do now? Uh and so a couple of times I've looked at this and you know, it sounds like I'm qualified to go to schools like the school when I was 15 and and and you know, I,

you know, I just don't have any kind of degrees or anything like that, I'm like you don't even have Children myself, so I'm like, but it was so funny how the Divine kept pulling me back in and pulled me back here.So a colleague of mine from Australia who specifically works with kids in trauma help you to create the curriculum that you have,

So it's you know, pay to 12, uh it's a full year's curriculum that's taught in the classroom.Uh so we've been working with school in Miami, we've got some schools that were talking to this week in Ohio and in SAN Diego um and so you know, in a world where uh it's so far removed from anything that we experienced as kids,

you know, and then we've got the whole whistleblower situation that's been happening where it's become very apparent that facebook were exceptionally aware of how uh you know, platforms like instagram we're really harming girls,

not only because of the addictiveness of the, the techniques and things that they put into the platform, but especially how, you know, they're looking at developing body issues because the photos that they're looking at, it's like the new day magazines,

you know, we look at magazines when we were young and go, I want to look like that, but they were airbrush is like, you know, we didn't realize young girls aren't realizing this hyper.And so to be able to equip young women,

young boys with, you know, the skills and the tools to be able to self regulate their emotions, to build their self esteem, to have empathy, to set personal standards, to do all of these things that help them to become well adjusted human beings and then also to have,

you know, excitement about the future.You know, if you look at and I talked to a lot of younger people, they're depressed.It's like, oh my God, well where are we going? We've got climate change,

but governments and all these things that are just that they don't instill any kind of excitement for optimism and so, you know, these are the skills and the tools that we teach within the program.So it's very psychology base.

Yes, they also get to make mine movies and dream about their future and we instill confidence for them to be able to do that and you know, things like yoga and gratitude and meditation.So they're getting in touch with,

you know with who they are and you know, having that mind body connection, it's like a whole told approach that we're doing here and you know I've been saying it for years and it's still true now more than ever, you know we need to really help this new next generation that's coming through.

Yeah.Oh my gosh I am almost like there are tears in my eyes is it's something I have thought about so many times.I have kids that have gone, you know that are 13, 15 now and you know,

I mean I try to bring this into their life and they're like oh my mom is a hippie, like well I'm planting seeds, you know my daughter's into meditation a little bit, they're not,

you know they're getting aspects not really in school, I think what you're doing this is so so needed and especially now, I mean I know the suicide rate is up higher than it's ever been.There's more anxiety,

depression, I mean you know not to focus on these negative things, but this is true, I mean especially the last couple of years um and so I think what you're doing this is valiant, this is needed,

this is crucial.Um It sounds like K through 12.So it's a that's that's that's amazing, this is it sounds like it's really starving students at different levels of where they are developmentally, where they are psychologically because I can say that even 13-15 is pretty different.

Oh yeah we have common themes that reveal like gratitude or embassy or you know uh you know emotions, everything is just talk differently every year depending on the age of the developmental cedric but you know Children around and things like sense of belonging, you know that's definitely more important when they're,

you know in the elementary school years.Um you know, and then, and then when they're older it's like, okay, well you have this sense of belonging, but how are you being part of a community? How do you play that role?

How do you become part of that? How do you, how do you execute this? Yeah.You know what, yeah, I also think what you mentioned about especially for still being female having struggled with body image and in the past, I don't know if you've gone through that yourself but I can,

I have a daughter who is a teen, I mean I just look at the photo she's seeing, you know, I filtered my my instagram is like uber positive right? The people that are on there that I follow and it's tough to kind of oversee and manage.I mean I've seen some of,

you know, I mean a lot of those photos can be very, I feel like what's underneath them is an immediate comparison and if you don't compare yourself in a way that that comes up, you know,

you come up short and it can, it can bring up a lot of feeling less than and lack of worthiness and body image and all the and all of that.So I think the fact that you're addressing that piece as well is huge and I'm curious maybe, you know,

and I know there's a lot more being done in the last few years.I would say you've been decade around, you know, really shifting from a patriarchal world to honoring the feminine.And I don't know if that's part of what you're looking at,

but I would be curious if that's kind of infused because in a way it's it's it's really detrimental when you you see how women are in young women and girls are suffering.Well,

you know, with the program, it's not like we address something like that specifically or bullying specifically.I think we have one on that or whatever, what we're doing is getting underneath it and going,

okay, what's the foundation? Yeah.You know? Uh so how do we, you know, avoid bullying or how do we avoid suicide? Well, we do that by building a strong soft adventure, you know,

by having that mind body connection by by being able to build self esteem.Um, and to really cultivate self love do because then it doesn't matter what these other subjects are.They have this really strong foundation of who they are and how they fit into the world and where they belong and so,

you know, these other things don't really affect them as much.So they're kind of getting under research amazing, made this like blossom and grow to all schools have this.I'm I love,

I love this so much, this is so important.Um maybe take us back for a moment.I know you because you alluded to mind movies and like for those who don't I, everyone listening is sort of my movies might be using them.

How did you, how did that get birth? Like how did you come into this um this world, this field? I mean, I know you originally, you grew up in Australia, correct.

And then yeah, yeah, I grew up in like a country town on one of eight kids, very humble beginnings.Um and as soon as I was 18 and old enough, I was the hell out of it and moved to see the Uh you know, which in itself was one of these things like I was 18,

no soul, But I knew I couldn't stay at my, in my country town.So I kind of moved to Sydney and started a life there and I was really fortunate I was working in fitness and uh one of my bosses when I was 21 years old, handed me a set of cassettes by Brian Tracy because I think you're gonna like this.

And then that started a whole journey of, you know, when people like Tony Robbins and jim Rohn and zig Ziglar would come to Australia, I was always there, you know,

and uh and I started managing fitness clubs when I was 21 you know, I didn't really know what I was doing it, I told my way and I'm thinking I could do a good job of this is just kind of worked it out, you know,

my motto in life has been to bite off more than I can chew and then chew like hell, which has served me well.Yes.Um and so you know, I got my cut my management and my business skills on other people's business, you know,

because they were being able to, I was managing other clubs and then when I met my husband, uh we're two weeks before we got married, we bought a nightclub, which on the outside looks like,

wow, we're like that, that's very different contrast from this positive career.I was making a difference to a nightclub where I'm encouraging people to drink alcohol and unhealthy lifestyle, But they were both service industries,

service businesses and so I was a labor over to apply a lot of that that as well.And so one and I, we had, I don't know, maybe 20 different businesses together over the years, you know,

coffee franchises and property development and a whole bunch of things and you know, we glenn and I separated eight years ago and we're still business partners in my movies because we have great business plan, it's Our skill sets complement each other,

we get on really well done.So this is 2006 and I'm having a challenge because you know, I'm looking at all my bills, looking at the bank account at the time, Glenn and I had four businesses were running at the same time,

so actually was never a problem, but we were still struggling financially and I'm like, I didn't get like, what am I missing? This is crazy.And then a friend said to me, you've got it.

All of this DVD online is called The Secret, You've got to watch it, it's amazing.So I remember sitting down and watching that and going, uh right, that's what I'm missing.You know,

for me, I would never set big goals because unless I knew exactly how it's going to happen, then I didn't believe it would, you know? And I'm like, oh, I don't think that I just seem to visualize and see myself there and then just start action and things will start to fall into place.

It was like a huge piece that I had been missing.And so not long after that, a friend of ours showed us this little slide show he put together and it was like PowerPoint slides that had affirmations and in between the PowerPoint slides with these photos that match the affirmations and music and this was his version of a vision board, You know,

he had vision boards, but he was embarrassed by them.So this really cool little slide show he created on his computer and give us, it was cool.Um, and then the secret was on Oprah and then everyone was talking about the cigarette, this is down to 2007.

And he came to us and said, look why don't we set up a website and you know, we can sell the instructions for people to make these movies themselves.Like, okay,

but we know nothing about the internet.Glenn couldn't even turn on a computer.You know, I used a computer for bookkeeping.That was it.You know, like we spent no time online.I couldn't type,

I still can't type Glenn still, you know, hand picking on the, on the keyboards.Um, but you know what we understood was a good idea.And so we put a little video up on YouTube when we began, uh,

I think our initial investment was like $2, 000 to the website, and you know.$1, 200 for a video camera.And uh, and from that one little video, We were getting lots of traffic.People were buying and we didn't know what to charge.

It's like, it's just air like it's not something physical.So they're like, I don't know, $20.It's just $20.But people were emailing, it's going, this is changing my life.I'm like,

all right boys.And what really started for me was I started to feel like I did when I was working in fitness.I really felt like I was making a difference and you know, and I felt like I was where I was supposed to be,

I'm like, oh guys, we can't ignore this, what do we have to do? So we end up in 2000 and eight coming over to the U.S.For six months.We went to a seminar for internet marketing seminar, joined the mastermind became sponges worked 10 hour days from our bedroom in the little apartment in San Diego that we rented underneath the flight path of san Diego airport.

Um and you know by september 2000 and eight we lost my movies to the world.Now that's kind of like the rainbow is poppy dog solution to that story.But remember economic crisis hit the planet September 2008, everyone's listening should,

We had accumulated $120, 000 on credit cards just to launch this thing before we realized that the world had financially, you know cooked itself.It's like, oh my God.

Um and we had everything that could go wrong went wrong, Our email delivery system shut down our account because we were getting so many options so quickly, they thought we were doing something illegal.

I had to get that being stated, they closed down the morning of the launch so no one was receiving the confirmation emails, they had purchased something.So we had 3000 customer support emails on the first date that is unpleasant.

Um and then people who were using as a painting gateway froze the account.We ended up doing like a $700, 000 launch Over a week and a half.And our program is $97.It was,

it was like nothing that our industry ever seen before.Um, and paper for the camp.So you know, we, we had for six months, they kept changing their mind about releasing the money.We have $500, 000 sitting in there.

We've got 100 20 grand on credit cards were supposed to be playing our affiliates were $100, 000 in latin males like um so we were on the, we were like a breath away from bankruptcy knowing that all that money sitting there, we couldn't get it.

And so far we've got an attorney involved and they release the funds.But that's what kind of put us on the map.But the thing that kept us going was obviously we created a mind movie for that launch, but we would always be not looking at the launch would be looking over which when people,

when they're learning how to do karate and you know, you're putting your hand through the board.You don't focus on the board, you focus beyond the board so that your hand keeps going through.So that's what we would do.

Like the launch was in the end, the launch was just the beginning, it was the beginning of the team that we were going to build.it was the beginning of the life that we're going to create for ourselves and lifestyle that we had, you know,

taking our families on vacations and eating at a lovely restaurants and all those kind of things.But we had to keep looking past it because this was just a means to get to that.So whenever a challenge to pop up,

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my friend back to the interview.Wow, what a story.Oh my gosh.I don't think I knew the whole, I knew a little bit of it, but I did not realize the first salt and incredible launch of that many people during the first week.And then to not be able and then to have all those issues.

That must have been quite the basic training for how to stay resilient.All right.It was, it was very stressful, really stressful.But I do remember that the night before we were opening up the shopping cart and we were to open up for sales frank kern was our mental.You know,

he's been alleged and remarkably well and he forgot our cds glass.Congratulations.He goes, you've done it.We don't know what we've done here.We haven't opened the shopping and I guess it doesn't matter.Our list went from 8000 to 80, 000 in a way.

He goes, you now have a business because whatever happens tomorrow and the next day, it doesn't matter.You've now got a business because you've now built this asset, which you know,

having have been surrounding ourselves with the white people was the smartest thing.Well this is great.You know, I have to say Natalie this is also great wisdom for those listening used to listener if you're thinking of starting a business or a side hustle sidekick or something just to hear, I mean,

you came from a different country, you you know, we're kind of bootstrapping it and you really invested in the people that you surrounded yourself with, getting around the best of the best and really,

as you said, being a sponge, yeah, absolutely, we couldn't have done it without it.And uh, you know, and yeah, we risked a lot for everything really.If it had worked, we would have been toast.

I don't know how we would have crawled out of that hole, but you know, we were there and I was lucky, you know, we knew that even if we lost money that, you know,

we had the ability to make it back, we didn't have Children.So, you know, we had the freedom to be able to make, you know, choices like that.I'm not suggesting that anyone does in the way that we did because it was very stressful, but you know,

but the smart thing was it wasn't just the mastermind group and it wasn't just frank, even our social circles was everyone's internet migrants.So even in a social setting, we were having conversations and we will learn and you know,

we're just we're just a little sun just the whole time.It was it was great.And then we went back to Australia and then when we came back the next year, you know,

that's when everyone wanted to know who we were.We're getting emails from people like Jack Canfield and bob Proctor and john Assaraf and I'm like because I think Jack can, I don't know if this is real,

but I think that canceled just email me like what? You know, so so now we we start to play in a world where not only are we massively successful, what we do and being able to reach more like We're over six million people now that we've been able to reach around the world and we're now looking at, you know,

we have the ability to go into schools and different things.Um but you know, all the people that we, that I personally, I should say put up on a pedestal, especially all the people from the secret,

they're all my friends now where are my keys, you know when we get to kind of play in that playground.But you know something Natalie this is the thing about it.The thing about the secret and the thing about what you're saying is,

you know of course we're all special but what what you're saying is this works for everyone, this the principals of the secret the principles of like you said, I didn't realize I was I was I was not making big goals because I don't know how,

which is I think where most of us where most people get stuck is, you know, I want to start a, you know, business that is then like what you did this, this personal growth studies,

like you don't know how to do that.That's a big goal.And maybe you can talk for a few minutes like what you've seen from a spiritual perspective of how the elements of this secret works because this is the thing, this is for everybody ever,

anyone, you know, if you're listening, if you want to be in a pinch yourself moment, you can create that you can create that.Um you know, it's funny when I, I got to know john a little bit john Ostrov he's gonna be on,

I think his episode is right before yours and I had that moment where I was like, wow, all right, Like this, this, you know, and you know, he's talked about he to he's had that moment in his life.It was earlier on obviously.

Um, but I love what you're saying and and how cool that you're in a life where you are, you know, in a good way, pinching yourself.Well, yes, and you know, I think that,

you know, yes, I get access to these people, but if I don't shop as this person of this version of this improving version of who I am, this emerging version of who I am, but it's not like I can maintain those questions,

you know, and I think the more I stepped into being the teacher and being the face of my movies and being the transformation leader, you know, for me, it's like I my thing is that I need to practice what I preach,

I need to show up in it and if I'm not evolving and if I'm not growing and working on myself, then how can I show up, you know, as the best teacher that I can be? You know,

and and sometimes, you know, like the glenn and I divorcing, you know, that was huge.It was huge for how we navigated our relationship, that's how we navigated the business.Um you know,

the work I did to myself, because the first question I asked was how did I contribute to the end of my marriage? You know, and I did things like the Hoffman process and doing other courses and you know, and I have a thing where I have a coach every year,

I'd like to change my coach.I've got different styles of coaching.Um but I always have someone who's who's working for me, helping me to work on myself, especially now because I'm stepping into this whole new world of education.

Oh, talk about a little little out of my depth.I think the same thing I was talking to someone yesterday about how I think part of why we did so well with my movies is that we didn't know what everyone else was doing.So we weren't limited by that.

We just came in with their own ideas and I think ignorance is bliss, which is also what I'm applying to the to the education thing as well.I know that there is a certain way that it's been done.Um the timing is right because something like the pandemic really shook everyone's thinking like like education for the first time in 50 years,

had to rethink itself a little, you know, and how do we handle this? So they've already got used to, you know, okay, we can do it differently.And so when I come in with my ideas that might not look like anything that anyone else is doing, um but I'm going to come in with what I you know intuitively feel is the way that I can support teachers,

that we can have a program that's going to help them with their students and in turn help to educate parents on, you know, how to teach these concepts, to cultivate these concepts even at home.

Mm This is important what you said, and I'm saying this again for listening because it's kind of backed it up with that it this is about living, you know, as an evolving constantly growing human being,

It's never over, it's uh it's as you said, you know, that having the emerging vision um which is so in alignment, it's honestly the point even of this whole idea of the U.S.

To you, it's never you don't you don't land, you don't like it's constantly like their divine growing, changing spinning.And I think what you said is also very important that that ignorance is bliss also allowed you and for for for our amazing listeners like to take yourself out of that rut of how you're thinking.Um you know,

you didn't you didn't think like everyone else because you didn't know to you came at it from a you know, completely empty mind, infinite possibilities and and I'm listening to your doing that again, which is so needed,

especially no having a parent in the school system being a parent and you know, sometimes it's easy, it's easy for all of us to get set in our ways to think this is the way we do it and um I'm hearing just such a breath of fresh air, but also the importance of constantly evolving whether it's hiring new coaches working on yourself,

like you can hear you're you're walking the talk you're you're living at which I I I don't know if there's any other way, especially with this kind of personal growth work.So it's I love how your love how you're really like now you're in the school system,

you haven't done this before, you've just started and it sounds like you're learning as you go as well.Absolutely.And I think you uh with that I love the challenge.You know,

it's me, it's what is my purpose and Well the mission and how I fulfill my purpose can shift.So my movies has been hit for 12 years.Um and I have no intention of stepping out of my movie.So we're still continuing that going actually,

this is the first business they're going.And I went into that we have no exit strategy.It's like we love this.It's like this collaborative way of being able to do business to, to support other people with similar programs online as well.

We all help each other.We will exchange ideas, we all support each other.Um I love that way of doing business, You know, and everything that we were, you know, that we're promoting,

selling is helping humanity.So it's like when we win.Um but you know, now we're morphing into education and with Children.So this is now the new way that the mission is showing up.But and I don't kid myself like for me to step into something like this,

you know, 50 years old and okay, I'll give it a little bit.But uh I need to change who I am being.Yeah, to be the person that has the capacity and the container to be able to fit into this new, this new realm,

this new industry, you know, this new part of a new chapter really and I always say I'm taking show, I'm taking notes.So if anyone's let you know when people are listening off and I get comments like say that again, that is really well said that you are constantly evolving and changing who you're being to fit the capacity of who you're,

who you're moving into, who you're stepping into um which which also puts the whole aging process idea thing on its head.It's like, You know, it gets better and better.I mean I want to see like 55 actually I'm laughing,

I don't know, I'm sure you know what Johnny was talking about his 60 pack, his six pack at 60 and I'm like that's a great way to look at 60, like you know what I mean, you wouldn't normally look at it that way.

There's always more that you can evolve into and more more of yourself.Well, you know, I was listening to a a talk by steve cobbler, this is about six months ago and he, you know,

he and Jamie Wheel started a thing called the flow genome project and this is all about how do we as humans getting too slow.And one comment that he made, I really stuck with me and he said,

well we get to this age or we're in our fifties and social, you know, we have access to all these superpowers, we've lived life, we've had life experience, we've had business experience,

you know, normally we don't have as many responsibilities because if we've had kids or college, you know that you know, we have this prime time in our life where we get access to all these superpowers, but only if we do the work,

you know, only if we can clear some of the, you know, the shallow and the programs and the paradigms that we held on to when we were younger, they got us to this point.But you know,

we we can achieve anything we want.This is the prime time for us, you know, but we've got to be willing to go there and you know, in 2020 for me because I wasn't traveling and being a crazy when I got to slow down.I was working with a coach once a week,

but I really got to look at a lot of the the darker parts of me that either I didn't want to admit existed or before then didn't have the courage to face.I think that right?

And I think that, you know, when we're looking at, you know, doing the work, I've kind of got to that point where it's like, you know, I need to have the courage and the radical honesty of myself yeah, to be able to look at these things and to first of all admit that they exist.

Um and then be willing to face what I need to to be able to release.Yeah, well he said that was funny 20 whole, it was yeah, the lowest ensure this year of my life I was going to say, well radical honesty and self courage,

you know when those are the ingredients and it sounds like you were finally able and willing and then with the slowing down it was here we are like it's time and Yeah, and the first actually met my love,

my partner in August 2020, but until then it was the main my thoughts.So I had plenty of time for self confrontation and really seem so for meditation and connection to the divine, and and uh it was,

it was, it was a year well spent.See I didn't waste time amazing Natalie maybe for just a moment, I love to ask especially you know, you clearly, you know done so much work within yourself, like you were saying,

doing the work expanded growing what you've created and offered to the world.What is it, what are some of your practices that help you? Um, I think what I'd love to ask, its two part,

what are some of those practices practices the spiritual practices, the practices that have you feel connected to your higher self, your divine connection and also um, you talked about moving past the beliefs and the stories and,

and I mean you started in a country town in Australia and now you have, you know your first launches 700 you know many, many people that are, and it's grown maybe share with us if you would a little bit of both of those what works for you.Yeah,

So my spiritual practice is that I do meditate actually when covid first hand, I double down, I was better taken twice a day just because I was feeling like I was taking on a lot of energy and people and I was going live on facebook every day for our community and trying to keep everyone calm and hold that space that I really needed to do that.Um,

and with my meditations either do the job expensive meditations which are, you know, connecting to the unified field and, and or blessing of the energy centers, which is,

you know, one of my favorites.Um, or I'll just take the time just to be silent just to focus on my breath and just just slow everything down.You know, sometimes with those meditations,

I might have a question or something that was something that I'm thinking about and you know, I, I remain open when I, whenever I get any messages from the divine, it always comes through as a thought for me and I know it can come to you with the body feeling,

it can come through as many different things, but for me it's just like a thought.So, so meditation is not negotiable that's every day.Um, but I also like to, especially if I'm,

you know, thinking about something, I'm challenged with something, you know I'll have a there's a couple of mindful activities, you know one of them is that you know my girlfriend has a a tea company called Magic Hour T.You've got to look it up is she?

Um she blends to please herself and it's all organic and biodynamic ingredients and just you know Armand Marcia and roz real and you know coconut shy and just amazing.So you know,

I'll make a cup of tea and I sit out on the balcony um and I just, everything is mindful.I'm noticing the smell of the T.That's what I can hear what I can feel on my skin.Like I'm just dropped so deeply into the moment mm just relishing the moment,

you know? And again because I'm quiting and slowing everything down um often have a lot of inspiration comes through those times as well.So don't necessarily need, need to be meditating for that.

Um But but it's also my acknowledgment of the divine.Mhm.Creating the space for us to have that communion I think is important because you know when I do I often consult that and this is part of why the law of attraction is so powerful is because we're leveraging or accessing the power of the interview that's greater than us to be able to help us to achieve that.Um And I've had too many incredible amazing things drop in and show up that were not me.

I have so much proof that that you know that the divine exists and is working in my highest favor, you know, so I have, I have no doubt there and I think that when we are manifesting expectation and belief, the two of the most important ingredients we can have,

like I just expect things to work out because I always do.So that's, that's my spiritual practice.But I exercise every day and whether that's just a walk, you know,

it could be a bike ride.I mean I live in, you know the marina del Rey, so I have a bike, I had pedal or like you know walk, it's you know the gym, it's all great and I like to, you know,

either listen to a podcast for a audio book, especially if I'm driving or something.And I just thought if I'm exercising, I don't like to listen to some kind of education as well.Kind of just put me in that higher elevation.

So yeah, I exercise my gratitude, one of my gratitude like I did right in journal at the moment I go in and out of that practice.But even if I'm walking like I walked with my neighbor this morning and we were both like, oh my God,

how grateful we are that we get to live here and this is alive and all of that.So and and making sure that I'm you know, having some kind of grateful moments throughout the day.I love that it doesn't have to be journaling.

I know others listening.You know, some love journaling.I go in and out.It's always helpful to hear however it shows up.But it's really like you said, savoring taking those moments remember it's not the riding down.That's the point of that exercise.

The point of the exercise is to feel gratitude.Mm and there are sometimes they might be doing things tough and like I know 2020 it was hard for me to get into a place of gratitude.Like there were days where I found it really difficult because I just felt like the whole world caving in.

We're in the unknown, everyone's freaking out.You know, I took three months off social media in 2020.He got way too contentious for me.You know like I can't I can't even look at this.Um and so you know in those moments,

what I also do is you know, I could write five things but I was just going through the motions which and I know for me that's not the point.And so I would write the five things down that I would close my eyes and put my hands in my heart and I would just breathe, focusing on my heart stronger and seeing the light expand from there and they've been thinking about the things I have written down and then being able to get into gratitude that way because we know that where we focus,

where we focus is where our energy goes? So I really have to have to be really intentional not being able to feel that what you said is so important and I'm going to reiterate it and it's so true and I've been here before where I have my gratitude and it's like no, no,

no.It's that's not the point.The feeling is the most important thing is that you feel it in your body and I think that can get lost for some of us.So it's a great reminder that that's the that's the ultimate is really feeling that is feeling that gratitude or what are the feelings that you want to have? Yeah.

Well remember our emotions of the energy of the frequency that we can make out into the universe.Yeah.And if we're looking to be a vibrational match to the things that we want to attract, we need to vibrate at that frequency.

Which means that we need to as much as possible maintain higher frequency emotions like gratitude or happiness or joy or courage or pride or accomplishment or you know, any of those things and the more that we can kind of marinate there,

the more inflow we are, you know, the easier it is for us to be able to create what it is that we need? So fantastic Natalie, Is there anything else.Um Either I call them heart flares where your heart is like I didn't say this yet or I want to share this.Is there anything that perhaps I didn't ask you that is sort of there for you that you'd like to share or it's just a heart flare.

I mean we could told that I was really yes, No, really I uh no, I think you touched on this before, but when it comes to applying a concept like the law of attraction, anyone can do it.

You know, anyone can do it if we believe that we can and we expect that we can then that could happen.Um and the when we went from struggling and pushing and forcing things to happen like we did when we had four businesses at one time to living this life, we were in flow because the only difference we had was that we started to apply the concepts of law of attraction,

visualizing, talking about our future, seeing past that you know, being in a state of gratitude uh and you know and taking that action that we needed to, but anyone can do that,

you know, and we all have the ability, we live in an abundant universe in the world that we can remember that the more that we realize that even if we, you know like it doesn't mean if I have money or if you have money that someone goes without,

it doesn't work that way.You know, we have access to this unlimited abundance.Yeah.Oh I love I love that you said that because I think that you know probably from for many there is that fear especially if you grew up, especially if you grew up maybe with a family that did not have money or abundance.

Like if I get it and you actually said this um you know, I kind of heard this leaning more towards collaboration and this collaborative to me business and the way that we're moving into the future hopefully um for the greatest good of all is through collaboration is through partnership.And when you're in that kind of like you said,

it's a win win win.So how could the universe not be set up as a win win win? You know, it's I almost what I heard you say too is knowing this is for anyone, knowing this is for you,

so use your listener, this is for you and this is for everyone around you.So as I'm seeing these, you know, you said you have a ton of evidence, I track a lot of this because it helps me to see oh my gosh, I didn't do that.

What? And I mean another day we should do another interview.I want to hear some of your beautiful stories.I was like alright, really pause because we're going to keep going on, but you know really like keep track of that.

Like you were saying like you have these stories so you can remind yourself and affirming this is for everybody you're not taking by you being, you know by you being so um the abundance successful growing, it doesn't take from anyone,

it just shows there's more for all of us.That's the flip I think is realizing that Yeah, because I think that sometimes that's the, especially all of us will have money story, you know,

one of the kids, what do you think my my story is? You know, we all have a money story and you know realizing and really understanding how abundant the universities and how you know there is enough everyone and that if we have it's not like we're taking you know what I mean? So because I think that that is like a core belief that a lot of us still carrying and maybe we don't consciously know it,

but maybe you're listening to this podcast right now and go actually yeah, I do think that you know a lot of the times were not even aware and that is enough is a very powerful fault that can keep this in a holding pattern, you know,

amazing, amazing.And that is why back to what you said, you want to look at those thoughts, you want to continuously evolve, work with people that can support you surround yourself with those that are, that are also in that personal growth pattern and path and so beautiful.

It's really fun to watch your, to hear your story and watch it.It kind of happened before our eyes and love.Love, Love Mind movies.Um and what you're working on now, your book,

your podcast.Um you just, I love you know watching you, it's like you're tuned in, tapped in to the divine and it's just flowing through you and I think the reminders you said Natalie this is for you to do your listeners for everybody, for all of us.

Um thank you just for being here and what your, what your birth into the world, especially now in the school systems and we'll have to check back in because I want to hear how that's going and it's got to expand.I mean I can't imagine my schools but not want more of this.

So just honor you and what you're what you're doing and who you're being in the world.Natalie truly thank you so much to always a pleasure to be done as well.Lots of love,

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yeah.
Mhm Yeah.
Hello.
Hello us to listeners,
you are in for such a treat,
but before we begin,
I'm going to give you a little backseat tour because I like to start with an intention with my guests before we begin and I am here with the beautiful dame Natalie lead.
Well I'm so honored and I just wanted to start with an intention.
So let's do that,
let's do it all right.
So we always start um invite you to put your hand on your heart and just connect and if you're listening,
you're welcome to join us,
closing your eyes going within,
that feels good and just connecting to our heart center.
That space of deeper connection,
compassion,
care,
love appreciation,
just appreciating you,
your time,
your wisdom,
your vitality,
your energy.
I'm grateful to be able to be here to share that with our incredible us to family and just ask that all are words spoken.
Mhm And everything comes from the space of love of heart and serves at the highest level for all of our listeners and beyond and that anything that wants to be said here is spoken here from that highest place and so it is.
And so it is.
Well there we go.
I am going to do the formal introduction first,
but I want to say um everyone listening Natalie is such an exquisite Seoul and new girlfriend of mine who I just adore and it's it's a gift to have you here today.
So let me tell you about this are beautiful guest today dame Natalie led.
Well,
I love that is the best selling author,
host of the podcast,
not over just different co host of the cable tv show,
Wake up and founder of Mind movies.
The hugely successful and revolutionary online personal development company that has reached over 5.8 million people worldwide,
oh my God,
that's just incredible.
Um and right now Natalie has launched her brand new,
groundbreaking social and emotional learning curriculum entitled Personal Growth Studies Love this,
this is now in schools here in the U.
S.
Which is designed to empower youth from Asia's 5 to 18 years to live fulfilling and successful lives with high self esteem and vision for a bright future.
In october 2018,
Natalie traveled to Liberia where she met with government officials and launched Personal Growth Studies into a number of schools which is now in the second year working with over 1000 students and in 2000 and 20 Natalie had the immense honor being knighted by the Orthodox Order of Saint john humanitarian group recognizing individuals who are not only doing great work but also having a big vision of the work they want to complete in the world of helping others.
That is so cool.
I'm so excited this area of helping schools.
There's,
there's a lot to talk about here.
Um there's a lot,
there's a lot to talk about.
Well welcome,
I love your energy.
I love what you're up to.
I'm thrilled to have you.
I feel like you know I was talking about body wisdom,
I am like leaning in so much that I could like kiss the screen,
that's how excited I am to be here.
Let's get started.
You know,
I think given the stage of our world today and all that you've been up to.
Maybe we start it's a little bit backwards,
but kind of starting present day,
I do want to hear,
you know more about your past and how you felt such a,
such an exquisite business that's serving you know,
so millions of people.
But let's talk about what's important to you right now,
Natalie talk about what you're up to,
this personal growth studies or anything else you'd like to share.
Love to hear more about that.
Yeah.
You know,
I've,
when I look back,
I look at my patterns over the years and if I've been in a certain career of certain business for 10 years,
10 years seems to be my then I started getting,
which now I'm kind of,
I want to do something different.
You know,
when we started my movies,
I was 40 years old,
you know,
learning how to Edit videos and do websites and emails and things for the first time in my life and I couldn't even typed.
We knew nothing about the Internet back then.
So now that I'm 50 my,
it has seen,
I mean obviously I love what I'm doing with my movies serving the millions of people that we do,
but I knew him.
Like I came ready for something different.
I'm ready for another challenge and I got a download to create a Children's version of the mind movies software,
which I did,
which was great and then I'm like well now what do we do now?
Uh and so a couple of times I've looked at this and you know,
it sounds like I'm qualified to go to schools like the school when I was 15 and and and you know,
I,
you know,
I just don't have any kind of degrees or anything like that,
I'm like you don't even have Children myself,
so I'm like,
but it was so funny how the Divine kept pulling me back in and pulled me back here.
So a colleague of mine from Australia who specifically works with kids in trauma help you to create the curriculum that you have,
So it's you know,
pay to 12,
uh it's a full year's curriculum that's taught in the classroom.
Uh so we've been working with school in Miami,
we've got some schools that were talking to this week in Ohio and in SAN Diego um and so you know,
in a world where uh it's so far removed from anything that we experienced as kids,
you know,
and then we've got the whole whistleblower situation that's been happening where it's become very apparent that facebook were exceptionally aware of how uh you know,
platforms like instagram we're really harming girls,
not only because of the addictiveness of the,
the techniques and things that they put into the platform,
but especially how,
you know,
they're looking at developing body issues because the photos that they're looking at,
it's like the new day magazines,
you know,
we look at magazines when we were young and go,
I want to look like that,
but they were airbrush is like,
you know,
we didn't realize young girls aren't realizing this hyper.
And so to be able to equip young women,
young boys with,
you know,
the skills and the tools to be able to self regulate their emotions,
to build their self esteem,
to have empathy,
to set personal standards,
to do all of these things that help them to become well adjusted human beings and then also to have,
you know,
excitement about the future.
You know,
if you look at and I talked to a lot of younger people,
they're depressed.
It's like,
oh my God,
well where are we going?
We've got climate change,
but governments and all these things that are just that they don't instill any kind of excitement for optimism and so,
you know,
these are the skills and the tools that we teach within the program.
So it's very psychology base.
Yes,
they also get to make mine movies and dream about their future and we instill confidence for them to be able to do that and you know,
things like yoga and gratitude and meditation.
So they're getting in touch with,
you know with who they are and you know,
having that mind body connection,
it's like a whole told approach that we're doing here and you know I've been saying it for years and it's still true now more than ever,
you know we need to really help this new next generation that's coming through.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh I am almost like there are tears in my eyes is it's something I have thought about so many times.
I have kids that have gone,
you know that are 13,
15 now and you know,
I mean I try to bring this into their life and they're like oh my mom is a hippie,
like well I'm planting seeds,
you know my daughter's into meditation a little bit,
they're not,
you know they're getting aspects not really in school,
I think what you're doing this is so so needed and especially now,
I mean I know the suicide rate is up higher than it's ever been.
There's more anxiety,
depression,
I mean you know not to focus on these negative things,
but this is true,
I mean especially the last couple of years um and so I think what you're doing this is valiant,
this is needed,
this is crucial.
Um It sounds like K through 12.
So it's a that's that's that's amazing,
this is it sounds like it's really starving students at different levels of where they are developmentally,
where they are psychologically because I can say that even 13-15 is pretty different.
Oh yeah we have common themes that reveal like gratitude or embassy or you know uh you know emotions,
everything is just talk differently every year depending on the age of the developmental cedric but you know Children around and things like sense of belonging,
you know that's definitely more important when they're,
you know in the elementary school years.
Um you know,
and then,
and then when they're older it's like,
okay,
well you have this sense of belonging,
but how are you being part of a community?
How do you play that role?
How do you become part of that?
How do you,
how do you execute this?
Yeah.
You know what,
yeah,
I also think what you mentioned about especially for still being female having struggled with body image and in the past,
I don't know if you've gone through that yourself but I can,
I have a daughter who is a teen,
I mean I just look at the photo she's seeing,
you know,
I filtered my my instagram is like uber positive right?
The people that are on there that I follow and it's tough to kind of oversee and manage.
I mean I've seen some of,
you know,
I mean a lot of those photos can be very,
I feel like what's underneath them is an immediate comparison and if you don't compare yourself in a way that that comes up,
you know,
you come up short and it can,
it can bring up a lot of feeling less than and lack of worthiness and body image and all the and all of that.
So I think the fact that you're addressing that piece as well is huge and I'm curious maybe,
you know,
and I know there's a lot more being done in the last few years.
I would say you've been decade around,
you know,
really shifting from a patriarchal world to honoring the feminine.
And I don't know if that's part of what you're looking at,
but I would be curious if that's kind of infused because in a way it's it's it's really detrimental when you you see how women are in young women and girls are suffering.
Well,
you know,
with the program,
it's not like we address something like that specifically or bullying specifically.
I think we have one on that or whatever,
what we're doing is getting underneath it and going,
okay,
what's the foundation?
Yeah.
You know?
Uh so how do we,
you know,
avoid bullying or how do we avoid suicide?
Well,
we do that by building a strong soft adventure,
you know,
by having that mind body connection by by being able to build self esteem.
Um,
and to really cultivate self love do because then it doesn't matter what these other subjects are.
They have this really strong foundation of who they are and how they fit into the world and where they belong and so,
you know,
these other things don't really affect them as much.
So they're kind of getting under research amazing,
made this like blossom and grow to all schools have this.
I'm I love,
I love this so much,
this is so important.
Um maybe take us back for a moment.
I know you because you alluded to mind movies and like for those who don't I,
everyone listening is sort of my movies might be using them.
How did you,
how did that get birth?
Like how did you come into this um this world,
this field?
I mean,
I know you originally,
you grew up in Australia,
correct.
And then yeah,
yeah,
I grew up in like a country town on one of eight kids,
very humble beginnings.
Um and as soon as I was 18 and old enough,
I was the hell out of it and moved to see the Uh you know,
which in itself was one of these things like I was 18,
no soul,
But I knew I couldn't stay at my,
in my country town.
So I kind of moved to Sydney and started a life there and I was really fortunate I was working in fitness and uh one of my bosses when I was 21 years old,
handed me a set of cassettes by Brian Tracy because I think you're gonna like this.
And then that started a whole journey of,
you know,
when people like Tony Robbins and jim Rohn and zig Ziglar would come to Australia,
I was always there,
you know,
and uh and I started managing fitness clubs when I was 21 you know,
I didn't really know what I was doing it,
I told my way and I'm thinking I could do a good job of this is just kind of worked it out,
you know,
my motto in life has been to bite off more than I can chew and then chew like hell,
which has served me well.
Yes.
Um and so you know,
I got my cut my management and my business skills on other people's business,
you know,
because they were being able to,
I was managing other clubs and then when I met my husband,
uh we're two weeks before we got married,
we bought a nightclub,
which on the outside looks like,
wow,
we're like that,
that's very different contrast from this positive career.
I was making a difference to a nightclub where I'm encouraging people to drink alcohol and unhealthy lifestyle,
But they were both service industries,
service businesses and so I was a labor over to apply a lot of that that as well.
And so one and I,
we had,
I don't know,
maybe 20 different businesses together over the years,
you know,
coffee franchises and property development and a whole bunch of things and you know,
we glenn and I separated eight years ago and we're still business partners in my movies because we have great business plan,
it's Our skill sets complement each other,
we get on really well done.
So this is 2006 and I'm having a challenge because you know,
I'm looking at all my bills,
looking at the bank account at the time,
Glenn and I had four businesses were running at the same time,
so actually was never a problem,
but we were still struggling financially and I'm like,
I didn't get like,
what am I missing?
This is crazy.
And then a friend said to me,
you've got it.
All of this DVD online is called The Secret,
You've got to watch it,
it's amazing.
So I remember sitting down and watching that and going,
uh right,
that's what I'm missing.
You know,
for me,
I would never set big goals because unless I knew exactly how it's going to happen,
then I didn't believe it would,
you know?
And I'm like,
oh,
I don't think that I just seem to visualize and see myself there and then just start action and things will start to fall into place.
It was like a huge piece that I had been missing.
And so not long after that,
a friend of ours showed us this little slide show he put together and it was like PowerPoint slides that had affirmations and in between the PowerPoint slides with these photos that match the affirmations and music and this was his version of a vision board,
You know,
he had vision boards,
but he was embarrassed by them.
So this really cool little slide show he created on his computer and give us,
it was cool.
Um,
and then the secret was on Oprah and then everyone was talking about the cigarette,
this is down to 2007.
And he came to us and said,
look why don't we set up a website and you know,
we can sell the instructions for people to make these movies themselves.
Like,
okay,
but we know nothing about the internet.
Glenn couldn't even turn on a computer.
You know,
I used a computer for bookkeeping.
That was it.
You know,
like we spent no time online.
I couldn't type,
I still can't type Glenn still,
you know,
hand picking on the,
on the keyboards.
Um,
but you know what we understood was a good idea.
And so we put a little video up on YouTube when we began,
uh,
I think our initial investment was like $2,000 to the website,
and you know.
$1,200 for a video camera.
And uh,
and from that one little video,
We were getting lots of traffic.
People were buying and we didn't know what to charge.
It's like,
it's just air like it's not something physical.
So they're like,
I don't know,
$20.
It's just $20.
But people were emailing,
it's going,
this is changing my life.
I'm like,
all right boys.
And what really started for me was I started to feel like I did when I was working in fitness.
I really felt like I was making a difference and you know,
and I felt like I was where I was supposed to be,
I'm like,
oh guys,
we can't ignore this,
what do we have to do?
So we end up in 2000 and eight coming over to the U.
S.
For six months.
We went to a seminar for internet marketing seminar,
joined the mastermind became sponges worked 10 hour days from our bedroom in the little apartment in San Diego that we rented underneath the flight path of san Diego airport.
Um and you know by september 2000 and eight we lost my movies to the world.
Now that's kind of like the rainbow is poppy dog solution to that story.
But remember economic crisis hit the planet September 2008,
everyone's listening should,
We had accumulated $120,000 on credit cards just to launch this thing before we realized that the world had financially,
you know cooked itself.
It's like,
oh my God.
Um and we had everything that could go wrong went wrong,
Our email delivery system shut down our account because we were getting so many options so quickly,
they thought we were doing something illegal.
I had to get that being stated,
they closed down the morning of the launch so no one was receiving the confirmation emails,
they had purchased something.
So we had 3000 customer support emails on the first date that is unpleasant.
Um and then people who were using as a painting gateway froze the account.
We ended up doing like a $700,000 launch Over a week and a half.
And our program is $97.
It was,
it was like nothing that our industry ever seen before.
Um,
and paper for the camp.
So you know,
we,
we had for six months,
they kept changing their mind about releasing the money.
We have $500,000 sitting in there.
We've got 100 20 grand on credit cards were supposed to be playing our affiliates were $100,000 in latin males like um so we were on the,
we were like a breath away from bankruptcy knowing that all that money sitting there,
we couldn't get it.
And so far we've got an attorney involved and they release the funds.
But that's what kind of put us on the map.
But the thing that kept us going was obviously we created a mind movie for that launch,
but we would always be not looking at the launch would be looking over which when people,
when they're learning how to do karate and you know,
you're putting your hand through the board.
You don't focus on the board,
you focus beyond the board so that your hand keeps going through.
So that's what we would do.
Like the launch was in the end,
the launch was just the beginning,
it was the beginning of the team that we were going to build.
it was the beginning of the life that we're going to create for ourselves and lifestyle that we had,
you know,
taking our families on vacations and eating at a lovely restaurants and all those kind of things.
But we had to keep looking past it because this was just a means to get to that.
So whenever a challenge to pop up,
you're like,
okay,
how do we get around this?
You know,
we knew we were heading,
which is like we just had to figure albums happening at the time.
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my friend back to the interview.
Wow,
what a story.
Oh my gosh.
I don't think I knew the whole,
I knew a little bit of it,
but I did not realize the first salt and incredible launch of that many people during the first week.
And then to not be able and then to have all those issues.
That must have been quite the basic training for how to stay resilient.
All right.
It was,
it was very stressful,
really stressful.
But I do remember that the night before we were opening up the shopping cart and we were to open up for sales frank kern was our mental.
You know,
he's been alleged and remarkably well and he forgot our cds glass.
Congratulations.
He goes,
you've done it.
We don't know what we've done here.
We haven't opened the shopping and I guess it doesn't matter.
Our list went from 8000 to 80,000 in a way.
He goes,
you now have a business because whatever happens tomorrow and the next day,
it doesn't matter.
You've now got a business because you've now built this asset,
which you know,
having have been surrounding ourselves with the white people was the smartest thing.
Well this is great.
You know,
I have to say Natalie this is also great wisdom for those listening used to listener if you're thinking of starting a business or a side hustle sidekick or something just to hear,
I mean,
you came from a different country,
you you know,
we're kind of bootstrapping it and you really invested in the people that you surrounded yourself with,
getting around the best of the best and really,
as you said,
being a sponge,
yeah,
absolutely,
we couldn't have done it without it.
And uh,
you know,
and yeah,
we risked a lot for everything really.
If it had worked,
we would have been toast.
I don't know how we would have crawled out of that hole,
but you know,
we were there and I was lucky,
you know,
we knew that even if we lost money that,
you know,
we had the ability to make it back,
we didn't have Children.
So,
you know,
we had the freedom to be able to make,
you know,
choices like that.
I'm not suggesting that anyone does in the way that we did because it was very stressful,
but you know,
but the smart thing was it wasn't just the mastermind group and it wasn't just frank,
even our social circles was everyone's internet migrants.
So even in a social setting,
we were having conversations and we will learn and you know,
we're just we're just a little sun just the whole time.
It was it was great.
And then we went back to Australia and then when we came back the next year,
you know,
that's when everyone wanted to know who we were.
We're getting emails from people like Jack Canfield and bob Proctor and john Assaraf and I'm like because I think Jack can,
I don't know if this is real,
but I think that canceled just email me like what?
You know,
so so now we we start to play in a world where not only are we massively successful,
what we do and being able to reach more like We're over six million people now that we've been able to reach around the world and we're now looking at,
you know,
we have the ability to go into schools and different things.
Um but you know,
all the people that we,
that I personally,
I should say put up on a pedestal,
especially all the people from the secret,
they're all my friends now where are my keys,
you know when we get to kind of play in that playground.
But you know something Natalie this is the thing about it.
The thing about the secret and the thing about what you're saying is,
you know of course we're all special but what what you're saying is this works for everyone,
this the principals of the secret the principles of like you said,
I didn't realize I was I was I was not making big goals because I don't know how,
which is I think where most of us where most people get stuck is,
you know,
I want to start a,
you know,
business that is then like what you did this,
this personal growth studies,
like you don't know how to do that.
That's a big goal.
And maybe you can talk for a few minutes like what you've seen from a spiritual perspective of how the elements of this secret works because this is the thing,
this is for everybody ever,
anyone,
you know,
if you're listening,
if you want to be in a pinch yourself moment,
you can create that you can create that.
Um you know,
it's funny when I,
I got to know john a little bit john Ostrov he's gonna be on,
I think his episode is right before yours and I had that moment where I was like,
wow,
all right,
Like this,
this,
you know,
and you know,
he's talked about he to he's had that moment in his life.
It was earlier on obviously.
Um,
but I love what you're saying and and how cool that you're in a life where you are,
you know,
in a good way,
pinching yourself.
Well,
yes,
and you know,
I think that,
you know,
yes,
I get access to these people,
but if I don't shop as this person of this version of this improving version of who I am,
this emerging version of who I am,
but it's not like I can maintain those questions,
you know,
and I think the more I stepped into being the teacher and being the face of my movies and being the transformation leader,
you know,
for me,
it's like I my thing is that I need to practice what I preach,
I need to show up in it and if I'm not evolving and if I'm not growing and working on myself,
then how can I show up,
you know,
as the best teacher that I can be?
You know,
and and sometimes,
you know,
like the glenn and I divorcing,
you know,
that was huge.
It was huge for how we navigated our relationship,
that's how we navigated the business.
Um you know,
the work I did to myself,
because the first question I asked was how did I contribute to the end of my marriage?
You know,
and I did things like the Hoffman process and doing other courses and you know,
and I have a thing where I have a coach every year,
I'd like to change my coach.
I've got different styles of coaching.
Um but I always have someone who's who's working for me,
helping me to work on myself,
especially now because I'm stepping into this whole new world of education.
Oh,
talk about a little little out of my depth.
I think the same thing I was talking to someone yesterday about how I think part of why we did so well with my movies is that we didn't know what everyone else was doing.
So we weren't limited by that.
We just came in with their own ideas and I think ignorance is bliss,
which is also what I'm applying to the to the education thing as well.
I know that there is a certain way that it's been done.
Um the timing is right because something like the pandemic really shook everyone's thinking like like education for the first time in 50 years,
had to rethink itself a little,
you know,
and how do we handle this?
So they've already got used to,
you know,
okay,
we can do it differently.
And so when I come in with my ideas that might not look like anything that anyone else is doing,
um but I'm going to come in with what I you know intuitively feel is the way that I can support teachers,
that we can have a program that's going to help them with their students and in turn help to educate parents on,
you know,
how to teach these concepts,
to cultivate these concepts even at home.
Mm This is important what you said,
and I'm saying this again for listening because it's kind of backed it up with that it this is about living,
you know,
as an evolving constantly growing human being,
It's never over,
it's uh it's as you said,
you know,
that having the emerging vision um which is so in alignment,
it's honestly the point even of this whole idea of the U.
S.
To you,
it's never you don't you don't land,
you don't like it's constantly like their divine growing,
changing spinning.
And I think what you said is also very important that that ignorance is bliss also allowed you and for for for our amazing listeners like to take yourself out of that rut of how you're thinking.
Um you know,
you didn't you didn't think like everyone else because you didn't know to you came at it from a you know,
completely empty mind,
infinite possibilities and and I'm listening to your doing that again,
which is so needed,
especially no having a parent in the school system being a parent and you know,
sometimes it's easy,
it's easy for all of us to get set in our ways to think this is the way we do it and um I'm hearing just such a breath of fresh air,
but also the importance of constantly evolving whether it's hiring new coaches working on yourself,
like you can hear you're you're walking the talk you're you're living at which I I I don't know if there's any other way,
especially with this kind of personal growth work.
So it's I love how your love how you're really like now you're in the school system,
you haven't done this before,
you've just started and it sounds like you're learning as you go as well.
Absolutely.
And I think you uh with that I love the challenge.
You know,
it's me,
it's what is my purpose and Well the mission and how I fulfill my purpose can shift.
So my movies has been hit for 12 years.
Um and I have no intention of stepping out of my movie.
So we're still continuing that going actually,
this is the first business they're going.
And I went into that we have no exit strategy.
It's like we love this.
It's like this collaborative way of being able to do business to,
to support other people with similar programs online as well.
We all help each other.
We will exchange ideas,
we all support each other.
Um I love that way of doing business,
You know,
and everything that we were,
you know,
that we're promoting,
selling is helping humanity.
So it's like when we win.
Um but you know,
now we're morphing into education and with Children.
So this is now the new way that the mission is showing up.
But and I don't kid myself like for me to step into something like this,
you know,
50 years old and okay,
I'll give it a little bit.
But uh I need to change who I am being.
Yeah,
to be the person that has the capacity and the container to be able to fit into this new,
this new realm,
this new industry,
you know,
this new part of a new chapter really and I always say I'm taking show,
I'm taking notes.
So if anyone's let you know when people are listening off and I get comments like say that again,
that is really well said that you are constantly evolving and changing who you're being to fit the capacity of who you're,
who you're moving into,
who you're stepping into um which which also puts the whole aging process idea thing on its head.
It's like,
You know,
it gets better and better.
I mean I want to see like 55 actually I'm laughing,
I don't know,
I'm sure you know what Johnny was talking about his 60 pack,
his six pack at 60 and I'm like that's a great way to look at 60,
like you know what I mean,
you wouldn't normally look at it that way.
There's always more that you can evolve into and more more of yourself.
Well,
you know,
I was listening to a a talk by steve cobbler,
this is about six months ago and he,
you know,
he and Jamie Wheel started a thing called the flow genome project and this is all about how do we as humans getting too slow.
And one comment that he made,
I really stuck with me and he said,
well we get to this age or we're in our fifties and social,
you know,
we have access to all these superpowers,
we've lived life,
we've had life experience,
we've had business experience,
you know,
normally we don't have as many responsibilities because if we've had kids or college,
you know that you know,
we have this prime time in our life where we get access to all these superpowers,
but only if we do the work,
you know,
only if we can clear some of the,
you know,
the shallow and the programs and the paradigms that we held on to when we were younger,
they got us to this point.
But you know,
we we can achieve anything we want.
This is the prime time for us,
you know,
but we've got to be willing to go there and you know,
in 2020 for me because I wasn't traveling and being a crazy when I got to slow down.
I was working with a coach once a week,
but I really got to look at a lot of the the darker parts of me that either I didn't want to admit existed or before then didn't have the courage to face.
I think that right?
And I think that,
you know,
when we're looking at,
you know,
doing the work,
I've kind of got to that point where it's like,
you know,
I need to have the courage and the radical honesty of myself yeah,
to be able to look at these things and to first of all admit that they exist.
Um and then be willing to face what I need to to be able to release.
Yeah,
well he said that was funny 20 whole,
it was yeah,
the lowest ensure this year of my life I was going to say,
well radical honesty and self courage,
you know when those are the ingredients and it sounds like you were finally able and willing and then with the slowing down it was here we are like it's time and Yeah,
and the first actually met my love,
my partner in August 2020,
but until then it was the main my thoughts.
So I had plenty of time for self confrontation and really seem so for meditation and connection to the divine,
and and uh it was,
it was,
it was a year well spent.
See I didn't waste time amazing Natalie maybe for just a moment,
I love to ask especially you know,
you clearly,
you know done so much work within yourself,
like you were saying,
doing the work expanded growing what you've created and offered to the world.
What is it,
what are some of your practices that help you?
Um,
I think what I'd love to ask,
its two part,
what are some of those practices practices the spiritual practices,
the practices that have you feel connected to your higher self,
your divine connection and also um,
you talked about moving past the beliefs and the stories and,
and I mean you started in a country town in Australia and now you have,
you know your first launches 700 you know many,
many people that are,
and it's grown maybe share with us if you would a little bit of both of those what works for you.
Yeah,
So my spiritual practice is that I do meditate actually when covid first hand,
I double down,
I was better taken twice a day just because I was feeling like I was taking on a lot of energy and people and I was going live on facebook every day for our community and trying to keep everyone calm and hold that space that I really needed to do that.
Um,
and with my meditations either do the job expensive meditations which are,
you know,
connecting to the unified field and,
and or blessing of the energy centers,
which is,
you know,
one of my favorites.
Um,
or I'll just take the time just to be silent just to focus on my breath and just just slow everything down.
You know,
sometimes with those meditations,
I might have a question or something that was something that I'm thinking about and you know,
I,
I remain open when I,
whenever I get any messages from the divine,
it always comes through as a thought for me and I know it can come to you with the body feeling,
it can come through as many different things,
but for me it's just like a thought.
So,
so meditation is not negotiable that's every day.
Um,
but I also like to,
especially if I'm,
you know,
thinking about something,
I'm challenged with something,
you know I'll have a there's a couple of mindful activities,
you know one of them is that you know my girlfriend has a a tea company called Magic Hour T.
You've got to look it up is she?
Um she blends to please herself and it's all organic and biodynamic ingredients and just you know Armand Marcia and roz real and you know coconut shy and just amazing.
So you know,
I'll make a cup of tea and I sit out on the balcony um and I just,
everything is mindful.
I'm noticing the smell of the T.
That's what I can hear what I can feel on my skin.
Like I'm just dropped so deeply into the moment mm just relishing the moment,
you know?
And again because I'm quiting and slowing everything down um often have a lot of inspiration comes through those times as well.
So don't necessarily need,
need to be meditating for that.
Um But but it's also my acknowledgment of the divine.
Mhm.
Creating the space for us to have that communion I think is important because you know when I do I often consult that and this is part of why the law of attraction is so powerful is because we're leveraging or accessing the power of the interview that's greater than us to be able to help us to achieve that.
Um And I've had too many incredible amazing things drop in and show up that were not me.
I have so much proof that that you know that the divine exists and is working in my highest favor,
you know,
so I have,
I have no doubt there and I think that when we are manifesting expectation and belief,
the two of the most important ingredients we can have,
like I just expect things to work out because I always do.
So that's,
that's my spiritual practice.
But I exercise every day and whether that's just a walk,
you know,
it could be a bike ride.
I mean I live in,
you know the marina del Rey,
so I have a bike,
I had pedal or like you know walk,
it's you know the gym,
it's all great and I like to,
you know,
either listen to a podcast for a audio book,
especially if I'm driving or something.
And I just thought if I'm exercising,
I don't like to listen to some kind of education as well.
Kind of just put me in that higher elevation.
So yeah,
I exercise my gratitude,
one of my gratitude like I did right in journal at the moment I go in and out of that practice.
But even if I'm walking like I walked with my neighbor this morning and we were both like,
oh my God,
how grateful we are that we get to live here and this is alive and all of that.
So and and making sure that I'm you know,
having some kind of grateful moments throughout the day.
I love that it doesn't have to be journaling.
I know others listening.
You know,
some love journaling.
I go in and out.
It's always helpful to hear however it shows up.
But it's really like you said,
savoring taking those moments remember it's not the riding down.
That's the point of that exercise.
The point of the exercise is to feel gratitude.
Mm and there are sometimes they might be doing things tough and like I know 2020 it was hard for me to get into a place of gratitude.
Like there were days where I found it really difficult because I just felt like the whole world caving in.
We're in the unknown,
everyone's freaking out.
You know,
I took three months off social media in 2020.
He got way too contentious for me.
You know like I can't I can't even look at this.
Um and so you know in those moments,
what I also do is you know,
I could write five things but I was just going through the motions which and I know for me that's not the point.
And so I would write the five things down that I would close my eyes and put my hands in my heart and I would just breathe,
focusing on my heart stronger and seeing the light expand from there and they've been thinking about the things I have written down and then being able to get into gratitude that way because we know that where we focus,
where we focus is where our energy goes?
So I really have to have to be really intentional not being able to feel that what you said is so important and I'm going to reiterate it and it's so true and I've been here before where I have my gratitude and it's like no,
no,
no.
It's that's not the point.
The feeling is the most important thing is that you feel it in your body and I think that can get lost for some of us.
So it's a great reminder that that's the that's the ultimate is really feeling that is feeling that gratitude or what are the feelings that you want to have?
Yeah.
Well remember our emotions of the energy of the frequency that we can make out into the universe.
Yeah.
And if we're looking to be a vibrational match to the things that we want to attract,
we need to vibrate at that frequency.
Which means that we need to as much as possible maintain higher frequency emotions like gratitude or happiness or joy or courage or pride or accomplishment or you know,
any of those things and the more that we can kind of marinate there,
the more inflow we are,
you know,
the easier it is for us to be able to create what it is that we need?
So fantastic Natalie,
Is there anything else.
Um Either I call them heart flares where your heart is like I didn't say this yet or I want to share this.
Is there anything that perhaps I didn't ask you that is sort of there for you that you'd like to share or it's just a heart flare.
I mean we could told that I was really yes,
No,
really I uh no,
I think you touched on this before,
but when it comes to applying a concept like the law of attraction,
anyone can do it.
You know,
anyone can do it if we believe that we can and we expect that we can then that could happen.
Um and the when we went from struggling and pushing and forcing things to happen like we did when we had four businesses at one time to living this life,
we were in flow because the only difference we had was that we started to apply the concepts of law of attraction,
visualizing,
talking about our future,
seeing past that you know,
being in a state of gratitude uh and you know and taking that action that we needed to,
but anyone can do that,
you know,
and we all have the ability,
we live in an abundant universe in the world that we can remember that the more that we realize that even if we,
you know like it doesn't mean if I have money or if you have money that someone goes without,
it doesn't work that way.
You know,
we have access to this unlimited abundance.
Yeah.
Oh I love I love that you said that because I think that you know probably from for many there is that fear especially if you grew up,
especially if you grew up maybe with a family that did not have money or abundance.
Like if I get it and you actually said this um you know,
I kind of heard this leaning more towards collaboration and this collaborative to me business and the way that we're moving into the future hopefully um for the greatest good of all is through collaboration is through partnership.
And when you're in that kind of like you said,
it's a win win win.
So how could the universe not be set up as a win win win?
You know,
it's I almost what I heard you say too is knowing this is for anyone,
knowing this is for you,
so use your listener,
this is for you and this is for everyone around you.
So as I'm seeing these,
you know,
you said you have a ton of evidence,
I track a lot of this because it helps me to see oh my gosh,
I didn't do that.
What?
And I mean another day we should do another interview.
I want to hear some of your beautiful stories.
I was like alright,
really pause because we're going to keep going on,
but you know really like keep track of that.
Like you were saying like you have these stories so you can remind yourself and affirming this is for everybody you're not taking by you being,
you know by you being so um the abundance successful growing,
it doesn't take from anyone,
it just shows there's more for all of us.
That's the flip I think is realizing that Yeah,
because I think that sometimes that's the,
especially all of us will have money story,
you know,
one of the kids,
what do you think my my story is?
You know,
we all have a money story and you know realizing and really understanding how abundant the universities and how you know there is enough everyone and that if we have it's not like we're taking you know what I mean?
So because I think that that is like a core belief that a lot of us still carrying and maybe we don't consciously know it,
but maybe you're listening to this podcast right now and go actually yeah,
I do think that you know a lot of the times were not even aware and that is enough is a very powerful fault that can keep this in a holding pattern,
you know,
amazing,
amazing.
And that is why back to what you said,
you want to look at those thoughts,
you want to continuously evolve,
work with people that can support you surround yourself with those that are,
that are also in that personal growth pattern and path and so beautiful.
It's really fun to watch your,
to hear your story and watch it.
It kind of happened before our eyes and love.
Love,
Love Mind movies.
Um and what you're working on now,
your book,
your podcast.
Um you just,
I love you know watching you,
it's like you're tuned in,
tapped in to the divine and it's just flowing through you and I think the reminders you said Natalie this is for you to do your listeners for everybody,
for all of us.
Um thank you just for being here and what your,
what your birth into the world,
especially now in the school systems and we'll have to check back in because I want to hear how that's going and it's got to expand.
I mean I can't imagine my schools but not want more of this.
So just honor you and what you're what you're doing and who you're being in the world.